<html><div>MY one hope was that I would confuse aLL YOU LINGUISTS OUT THERe WITH A PAST TENSE OF A NOUN. oops caps lock on again. LInda PS It's been along winter so far--two feet of snow in RI, and more on the way--I think I have brain fever. <br><br>---------- Original Message ----------<br>From: Hutch <hutchinson.jeff@gmail.com><br>To: fictionary group <fictionary@swarpa.net><br>Subject: Re: [Fictionary] The zemi-john didn't cross the Atlantic to travel on the sacbe<br>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 14:36:27 -0500<br><br></p><div dir="ltr"><div>The "at least one person" who didn't submit a vote proceeded to win. I'll have to try that again :-) Actually, I've been sick the past week. Thought I had sent a vote, but apparently not.<br><br></div>Racing off to work now. I'll try to get a word out tonight or tomorrow.<br><br><div class="gmail_signature"><div>BB,</div><div>Hutch</div><div> </div><div>-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----</div><div>Version: 3.1</div><div>GCM/S d+>- s+:+ a++ C+++$ ULAC>$ P+ L+ !E W++$</div><div>N+ o K? w++++/--$ O? M- V? PS+ PE/- Y PGP- t++ 5?</div><div>X-- R !tv? b++++>$ DI++++ D G+> e++ h+ r--?* y++></div><div>------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------</div></div><br><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target="_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #cccccc; padding-left: 1ex;">but neither did the gnammas cross the Indian Ocean and Mediterranean Sea to<br> meet the tafoni.<br> <br> While you were sending me defs, a lad traveled by zemi-john looking for a<br> nonexistent package. <a href="https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=260752" target="_blank">https://forum.419eater.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=260752</a><br> <br> "Zemi-john" is from a Gbe language; you wouldn't hear it in Bamako, where they<br> speak a Mande language.<br> <br> Hutch wins with the keg. Take it away, Hutch!<br> <br> Pierre<br> -----<br> sacbe [pl. sacbim] - n. - keg; an obscure liquid measure equaling 50-60<br> zemi-john [or demi-john], or approximately 15-20 gallons; loosely, the<br> limit of weight in a barrel, crate, or other package to be lifted and moved<br> by a single man<br> by Hutch. 9<br> Jim: 2<br> Nicolas: 2 points for obscure units of measure.<br> Eric: One point, for using the Hebrew plural "im", but I'm glad I'm not a<br> stevedore in this person's world, am I really supposed to shift that<br> weight by myself?<br> J-J: Hmm, two definitions regarding vessels for liquid. Nice irregular<br> plural, and I can't really think of any good wisecracks, so I'll have to<br> give it two points.<br> Josh B: Two points for "sacbe = 50-60 zemi-john".<br> <br> sacbe - n. (fr. Friulian) - poisoned marzipan<br> zemi-john - n. (fr. Neapolitan) - a corrupt apothecary, specializing in sacbe.<br> zemi-zany.<br> by David Randall. 4<br> Ranjit: 1<br> Eric: Two points. For once, my big points go to the deliberately entertaining.<br> J-J: So obviously and preposterously fabricated. And good for one point.<br> <br> sacbe (n) also sackby, saccaby; pl. sacbe (pron. sacbah), sackbia,<br> saccabia: a legendary stew or soup whose ingredients are controversial. In<br> the 17th and 18th centuries it was often made with woodwort or zemi-john,<br> while in modern recreations peucedanum is usually substituted.<br> by Ranjit. 4<br> 2 points for crossing the Atlantic<br> David: 1<br> Jim: 1<br> J-J: Boy, is this ever reminiscent of "salacacaby", if anybody remembers that<br> from 1997. If there really is a connection, I'll refrain from<br> exploiting my prior knowledge.<br> <br> sacbe - n. - A pilgrim who has not brought any candles. (pl. saksbe)<br> zemi-john - n. - A kiosk near a pilgrimage site selling candles and<br> other devotional items.<br> by Jean-Joseph. 3<br> David: 2<br> Nicolas: Tempting on sac[red] grounds.<br> J-J: Mine. This is just a deranged riff on "Saxby Chambliss", which I didn't<br> even know how to spell until I looked it up just now.<br> Josh B: One point for the pilgrim w/o candles (vote of appreciation; I'm not<br> all<br> that convinced by the definition.)<br> <br> zemi-john (British spelling hemi-john) n. A style of long underwear worn<br> by French<br> royalty, with a distinctive fastening (sacbe) connecting to the<br> corresponding<br> upper undergarment.<br> by Josh Burdick. 2<br> Linda: 2<br> Nicolas: This sounds like the start of a fairy tale.<br> J-J: Longue-johns? You'd think, being French, that it would be "jeans", but<br> that's outerwear.<br> <br> zemi-john, n. A West African motorcycle taxi. Also zemidjan, zémidjan.<br> sacbe, n, pl. sacbeob. A Mesoamerican highway.<br> the truth. 2<br> Ranjit: 2<br> Nicolas: I don't remember hearing this one in Bamako.<br> J-J: So... so... what's the connection? How did the motorcycle cross the<br> Atlantic? (But I really like the plural form.)<br> <br> sacbe, n. fm. French The SACBEEs were an elite unit of WWII-era combat<br> engineers centered around forward deployment of portable folding bridges or<br> zemi-johns.<br> by Nicolas Ward. 1<br> Linda: 1<br> J-J: Sounds Linda-ish.<br> <br> 1) zemi-john, n, a large container for liquids<br> 2) sacbe, n. past sackwas. any regional home-brewed alcoholic beverage. He<br> stored the sacbe in zemi-johns.<br> by Linda. 0<br> J-J: Aside from the detail that, in English, we don't often decline nouns<br> into a "past" case...<br> <br> Linda:<br> Pierre, What a great combo, despite the linguistic confusion. Two points for<br> the underwear, and one for the Seabees, errrrr Sacbees. Hon. Men. for the<br> candle sellers.<br> <span><span style="color: #888888;"><br> --<br> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.<br> <br> </span></span></blockquote></div></div></div></div></html>
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